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		<title>Comment on New stuff &#8211; Pickpockets, pizza and Palazzos by mark</title>
		<link>http://joekeohane.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/new-stuff-pickpockets-pizza-and-palazzos/#comment-52</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 17:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you friend credit Anthony Clark?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you friend credit Anthony Clark?</p>
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		<title>Comment on About Joe Keohane by Art Widmark</title>
		<link>http://joekeohane.wordpress.com/bio/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Widmark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;How Facts Backfire&quot; - a great article.  I&#039;ve read it a dozen times, sent it to all my friends and rels, BUT, they all fall into the same hole you describe in your article.  This led me to info on Socratic Disputation and some of Socrates&#039; attempts to overcome some of these problems.  Keep up the great work................................Redding,  CA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How Facts Backfire&#8221; &#8211; a great article.  I&#8217;ve read it a dozen times, sent it to all my friends and rels, BUT, they all fall into the same hole you describe in your article.  This led me to info on Socratic Disputation and some of Socrates&#8217; attempts to overcome some of these problems.  Keep up the great work&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Redding,  CA</p>
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		<title>Comment on About Joe Keohane by Doug Hoyt</title>
		<link>http://joekeohane.wordpress.com/bio/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Hoyt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe;
My brother believes POTUS  is Muslim and not born in U.S.
I am giving him your article and will ask him to please read!
However... I have repeatedly asked him to research the source and motives of the persons delivering Info. to him. 
While looking up information about you, I do not see where your political loyalties are?
Please inform before I give the article to my brother.
I have heard:
&quot;Don&#039;t confuse me with facts, once my mind is made up!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe;<br />
My brother believes POTUS  is Muslim and not born in U.S.<br />
I am giving him your article and will ask him to please read!<br />
However&#8230; I have repeatedly asked him to research the source and motives of the persons delivering Info. to him.<br />
While looking up information about you, I do not see where your political loyalties are?<br />
Please inform before I give the article to my brother.<br />
I have heard:<br />
&#8220;Don&#8217;t confuse me with facts, once my mind is made up!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on About Joe Keohane by John Starr</title>
		<link>http://joekeohane.wordpress.com/bio/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Starr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 01:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Joe.
I read your article on facts and beliefs in the Globe with great interest.
I saw immediately its application to religious belief. I was not exposed to any religious training when I was a child, therefore I was able, as a blank sheet, to work out for myself an explanation as to why I was here and what I believed in when I was in my mid to late teens.
I concluded that all religious beliefs are nonsense and the growing evidence of our connection to all living things has solidified my view. I&#039;ve had good natured debates with friends who are religious and experienced the point at which people make a sudden jump to faith in argument.
The disappointing thing for me is that I am a human too, and  therefore  am potentially prey to the very same limitations your article sets out.
It leaves me with little if any regard for our opinion of ourselves as thinking, objective organisms and I&#039;m glad not to have to look forward to everlasting life, hemmed in by all our weaknesses.
Your article didn&#039;t surprise me but it&#039;s nice to see a scientific basis for its conclusions.
With kind regards,
John (Starr).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Joe.<br />
I read your article on facts and beliefs in the Globe with great interest.<br />
I saw immediately its application to religious belief. I was not exposed to any religious training when I was a child, therefore I was able, as a blank sheet, to work out for myself an explanation as to why I was here and what I believed in when I was in my mid to late teens.<br />
I concluded that all religious beliefs are nonsense and the growing evidence of our connection to all living things has solidified my view. I&#8217;ve had good natured debates with friends who are religious and experienced the point at which people make a sudden jump to faith in argument.<br />
The disappointing thing for me is that I am a human too, and  therefore  am potentially prey to the very same limitations your article sets out.<br />
It leaves me with little if any regard for our opinion of ourselves as thinking, objective organisms and I&#8217;m glad not to have to look forward to everlasting life, hemmed in by all our weaknesses.<br />
Your article didn&#8217;t surprise me but it&#8217;s nice to see a scientific basis for its conclusions.<br />
With kind regards,<br />
John (Starr).</p>
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		<title>Comment on How our brains undermine democracy by don findlay</title>
		<link>http://joekeohane.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/how-our-brains-undermine-democracy/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[don findlay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 03:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m one of those people that others might accuse of spouting disinformation across the web.  However, reflecting on what you say about 
the importance of factual information in a democracy I thought it to be a sword that cuts both ways.  When it comes to science, that too 
is a &#039;government&#039; of a sort that spruiks its own &quot;weapons of mass destruction&quot; when it comes to bullying the public.  As Michael Crichton 
used to say, &quot;If it it consensus, it is not science) .  Facts, it appears, can be copyrighted.  &#039;My 
facts&#039; are different from &#039;your facts&#039;, and you have no right to try to appropriate them.

In Earth science (my own area of interest), the ruling paradigm (plate tectonics) is unashamedly based on a series of assumptions.   yet 
most will deny this and regard those assumptions as facts, and label anyone who says otherwise &#039;crank&#039;. It seems to me that far more 
than politics ( in which there are at least buttons that can be pushed that will allow different views to be aired -- albeit ones not based in 
fact) ,  the behemoth of Science Consensus has got that base covered.  It brooks no dissent, and the system of peer review is set up to 
make sure of it:- (quote)  ....&quot;The mistake, of course, is to have thought that peer review was any more than a crude means of 
discovering the acceptability — not the validity — of a new finding. Editors and scientists alike insist on the pivotal importance of peer 
review. We portray peer review to the public as a quasi-sacred process that helps to make science our most objective truth teller. But 
we know that the system of peer review is biased, unjust, unaccountable, incomplete, easily fixed, often insulting, usually ignorant, 
occasionally foolish, and frequently wrong&quot;. (Google  or a wordstring)  But nobody seriously doubts our &#039;knights in 
white satin&#039;, do they? ..with their continual cry for  &quot;More research is needed&quot;?  The public probably regards this as money well spent, 
but poke them (scientists) with a fact and see what happens.  Craig Venter remarks: &quot;I think the way science is conducted around the 
world, we probably waste over 90% of the money, ...&quot;  but how soon is this forgotten or disregarded against the myth of  scientific 
truth-telling?.   The &#039;emails&#039; too turn out to be just a mote in the eye of Global Warming.  And who cares anyway?  With a finger on the 
real issue here even the Seychelles are opportunisitically trying to cash in on it to get funding to build concrete walls all around their 
beautiful tourist islands (...construction maybe being not so much the issue as the funding.)

In ten years of my own internet come-ons to debate the issues in Earth science, from wheedling, through ridicule, to bullish agression, 
and with about two (or maybe three) execptions (maybe), not once has there been any uptake of those points at issue on grounds of fact 
- only ad hominems and &#039;crank-sport&#039;.   Why bother?  Well I regard it as a mirror, reflecting exactly your point:-  That the ones most 
likely to be the most informed in matters of fact are the ones least likely to shift their views.  For my part, as one accused of being &#039;crank&#039; 
and spreading disinformation, it&#039;s been an experience I wouldn&#039;t have missed  for quids, as an object lesson on many levels.  
Tweedledum and Tweedledee, .. Tweedledee had a spruiker in his Minster of Spin:-  ...&quot;It&#039;s not me telling lies, it&#039;s you who&#039;s not getting 
the big picture..&quot;  (It&#039;s how it&#039;s done, I guess, if you can - (spin).   Tweedledum (Bush) had his own appeal - inarticulate confabulations 
that people could take to mean anything they wanted.  Both knew what all politicians massaging the &#039;Art of the Possible&#039; do, that facts 
pale in the face of belief.   And science, with its goal of monolithic consensus proves exactly that.  Which is I think what you are saying.  
I&#039;m just adding, &quot;..and nowhere is this more true than in the area of career science.&quot;  Which is another caution to the environmetally 
challenged flower of democracy.

Thanks for your piece.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those people that others might accuse of spouting disinformation across the web.  However, reflecting on what you say about<br />
the importance of factual information in a democracy I thought it to be a sword that cuts both ways.  When it comes to science, that too<br />
is a &#8216;government&#8217; of a sort that spruiks its own &#8220;weapons of mass destruction&#8221; when it comes to bullying the public.  As Michael Crichton<br />
used to say, &#8220;If it it consensus, it is not science) .  Facts, it appears, can be copyrighted.  &#8216;My<br />
facts&#8217; are different from &#8216;your facts&#8217;, and you have no right to try to appropriate them.</p>
<p>In Earth science (my own area of interest), the ruling paradigm (plate tectonics) is unashamedly based on a series of assumptions.   yet<br />
most will deny this and regard those assumptions as facts, and label anyone who says otherwise &#8216;crank&#8217;. It seems to me that far more<br />
than politics ( in which there are at least buttons that can be pushed that will allow different views to be aired &#8212; albeit ones not based in<br />
fact) ,  the behemoth of Science Consensus has got that base covered.  It brooks no dissent, and the system of peer review is set up to<br />
make sure of it:- (quote)  &#8230;.&#8221;The mistake, of course, is to have thought that peer review was any more than a crude means of<br />
discovering the acceptability — not the validity — of a new finding. Editors and scientists alike insist on the pivotal importance of peer<br />
review. We portray peer review to the public as a quasi-sacred process that helps to make science our most objective truth teller. But<br />
we know that the system of peer review is biased, unjust, unaccountable, incomplete, easily fixed, often insulting, usually ignorant,<br />
occasionally foolish, and frequently wrong&#8221;. (Google  or a wordstring)  But nobody seriously doubts our &#8216;knights in<br />
white satin&#8217;, do they? ..with their continual cry for  &#8220;More research is needed&#8221;?  The public probably regards this as money well spent,<br />
but poke them (scientists) with a fact and see what happens.  Craig Venter remarks: &#8220;I think the way science is conducted around the<br />
world, we probably waste over 90% of the money, &#8230;&#8221;  but how soon is this forgotten or disregarded against the myth of  scientific<br />
truth-telling?.   The &#8216;emails&#8217; too turn out to be just a mote in the eye of Global Warming.  And who cares anyway?  With a finger on the<br />
real issue here even the Seychelles are opportunisitically trying to cash in on it to get funding to build concrete walls all around their<br />
beautiful tourist islands (&#8230;construction maybe being not so much the issue as the funding.)</p>
<p>In ten years of my own internet come-ons to debate the issues in Earth science, from wheedling, through ridicule, to bullish agression,<br />
and with about two (or maybe three) execptions (maybe), not once has there been any uptake of those points at issue on grounds of fact<br />
- only ad hominems and &#8216;crank-sport&#8217;.   Why bother?  Well I regard it as a mirror, reflecting exactly your point:-  That the ones most<br />
likely to be the most informed in matters of fact are the ones least likely to shift their views.  For my part, as one accused of being &#8216;crank&#8217;<br />
and spreading disinformation, it&#8217;s been an experience I wouldn&#8217;t have missed  for quids, as an object lesson on many levels.<br />
Tweedledum and Tweedledee, .. Tweedledee had a spruiker in his Minster of Spin:-  &#8230;&#8221;It&#8217;s not me telling lies, it&#8217;s you who&#8217;s not getting<br />
the big picture..&#8221;  (It&#8217;s how it&#8217;s done, I guess, if you can &#8211; (spin).   Tweedledum (Bush) had his own appeal &#8211; inarticulate confabulations<br />
that people could take to mean anything they wanted.  Both knew what all politicians massaging the &#8216;Art of the Possible&#8217; do, that facts<br />
pale in the face of belief.   And science, with its goal of monolithic consensus proves exactly that.  Which is I think what you are saying.<br />
I&#8217;m just adding, &#8220;..and nowhere is this more true than in the area of career science.&#8221;  Which is another caution to the environmetally<br />
challenged flower of democracy.</p>
<p>Thanks for your piece.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How our brains undermine democracy by Jim Hensley</title>
		<link>http://joekeohane.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/how-our-brains-undermine-democracy/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Hensley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Vincible&quot; and &quot;Invincible&quot;  ignorance&quot; are old concepts but it&#039;s nice to have documentation to move them out of the realm of moral theology and into secular application.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Vincible&#8221; and &#8220;Invincible&#8221;  ignorance&#8221; are old concepts but it&#8217;s nice to have documentation to move them out of the realm of moral theology and into secular application.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How our brains undermine democracy by Pierre Gilly</title>
		<link>http://joekeohane.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/how-our-brains-undermine-democracy/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierre Gilly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good work! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on How our brains undermine democracy by Steve Rothman</title>
		<link>http://joekeohane.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/how-our-brains-undermine-democracy/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Rothman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A bummer, sure, but it&#039;s good to at least keep this in mind. How much breath gets wasted by people trying to convince other people they&#039;re wrong by spouting data?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bummer, sure, but it&#8217;s good to at least keep this in mind. How much breath gets wasted by people trying to convince other people they&#8217;re wrong by spouting data?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why crime is up (in our heads) by joekeohane</title>
		<link>http://joekeohane.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/why-crime-is-up-in-our-heads/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joekeohane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was kidding. It&#039;s an unusually highfalutin phrase I came upon, and I was satirically suggesting that my ability to so much as pronounce it could be lorded over people (such as myself from a month ago) who don&#039;t have the foggiest idea what it means, all for the purposes of giving a misleadingly inflated impression of my own intelligence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was kidding. It&#8217;s an unusually highfalutin phrase I came upon, and I was satirically suggesting that my ability to so much as pronounce it could be lorded over people (such as myself from a month ago) who don&#8217;t have the foggiest idea what it means, all for the purposes of giving a misleadingly inflated impression of my own intelligence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why crime is up (in our heads) by James DeFilippi</title>
		<link>http://joekeohane.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/why-crime-is-up-in-our-heads/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James DeFilippi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m confused about the availability heuristic part: is that A) a sophisticated way to make the &quot;I&#039;m rubber, you&#039;re glue...&quot; argument, B) just a smart-sounding tidbit to evidence your knowledge, or C) an honest defense that the dearth of intelligence among the masses is coloring someone&#039;s opinion of you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused about the availability heuristic part: is that A) a sophisticated way to make the &#8220;I&#8217;m rubber, you&#8217;re glue&#8230;&#8221; argument, B) just a smart-sounding tidbit to evidence your knowledge, or C) an honest defense that the dearth of intelligence among the masses is coloring someone&#8217;s opinion of you?</p>
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